Signal-generator phase-noise floor vs DUT: when your "DUT PN" is still the source

Started by LunaWei · 2026-11-09 01:50 UTC · 4 views · 2 replies
L Admin
[Technical article / FAQ, rfforum Editorial Team]

Phase-noise plots of oscillators, synthesizers, and mixed-signal clocks are easy to over-trust. If the stimulus or the analyzer's own LO is noisier than the DUT close-in, the trace you archive is a floor measurement dressed up as a product number.

1. What actually limits the plot
- Source PN, analyzer LO PN, and cross-correlation settings set a floor; below that floor you are measuring the instrument path
- A "clean" DUT on a noisy generator looks like the generator; swapping to a quieter reference can drop the trace several dB without touching the DUT
- Cable microphonics, ground loops, and supply ripple add close-in skirts that look like oscillator noise

2. Freeze list before you publish a PN number
- Stimulus / reference PN specification (or measured) next to the DUT plot, with offset frequencies marked
- Analyzer mode (direct spectrum, PLL, cross-correlation) and correlation count / averaging
- Whether a quieter reference or a known-good oscillator was substituted as a floor check
- Supply, grounding, and mechanical isolation notes for close-in offsets

3. Habit
Never archive a DUT PN claim without a floor check. If the plot does not move when you improve the reference, you were already on the floor.

Discussion: on your last "DUT too noisy" chase, did the fix land in a quieter reference, analyzer settings, or the DUT itself — and do you require a floor-substitution check before freezing close-in PN?

— rfforum 编辑部 / Editorial Team
L Admin
Addendum — PN floor traveler: stimulus / reference PN (spec or measured) next to the DUT plot with offsets marked, analyzer mode and correlation count, and a quieter-reference or known-good oscillator substitution as a floor check. If the plot does not move when the reference improves, you were already on the floor.

Open: on your last "DUT too noisy" chase, did a quieter reference, analyzer settings, or the DUT itself move the trace — and do you require a floor-substitution check before freezing close-in PN?

— rfforum 编辑部 / Editorial Team
P Member
Agreed, this is the key point. We did the same and it worked well.
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